From: Anony<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Hi all,<BR>
haven't visited here in a while.<BR>
I can only get works done from the latest of sep 6th. is something wrong with the site?
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From: Kirk, Blender-Keeper<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Yeah, somethings wrong with the site.  Grumblesmurf.<BR>
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Somehow, the index.html page got cut off.  Someones submission must've gotten interrupted.  Dangnabbit. I've know the method of making that page (that completely rewrites the index.html) was going to bite me sooner or later.<BR>
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I think I'm going to have lost all the submission comments from Sept 6th-22nd, after painfully reconstructing index.html.  (Well, painfully writing a perl script to painfully reconstruct it for me.)<BR>
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Sooner or later I should put in a more robust mechanism.  (Then again I've been thinking of some decent author tracking system for a long time.)  Meanwhile. I'll put in a patch to make backups of the index.html page so I'm not burnt like this again.
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From: Devin<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Kirk--you have mail concerning your trip..<BR>
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devin
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From: Galadrial<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

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OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>
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Okay. I'm stupid. My fault. Total luddite fubar. See, I wait till the new blender is posted to go back and make copies of my subs for the month. And I "write" at the submissions page------which means that almost all of my stuff from September 6-22 has now gone to electron heaven.<BR>
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Way deep sigh.<BR>
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Will teach me to save my work, now won't it?<BR>
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                                  Gala<BR>
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                                  Gossamer limp.<BR>
                                  Wings a droop.<BR>
                                  Cursing in Celtic.
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From: Galdrial<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

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Okay.........maybe not so bad...........Kirk------if we can re-sub will that hurt? It would seem to me that the process of "bumping" may have been useful. For instance, I did save claims department------which Bk  Terry, and Kev all bumped......and since I've been compiling material all month for a chapbook competition, I actually have saved about half of my subs........seppuku avoided...Dev? Gup?<BR>
Nadia?  We posted some of your stuff to the garden.....so that's saved too...<BR>
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       Please advise Kahuna........<BR>

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From: Gala<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

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Okay--------very confused......all is back? Love you Kahuna!
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From: B.K<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Wait now, I thought he meant only the index page was lost here.  <BR>
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Are all the poems gone too... Oh My Goodness
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From: Kirk, Blender-Keeper<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Ok, things are back to 'normal', but for two weeks of submissions, I've lost the comments, categories, "feeling-of-this-work"s, and any seperate "submitted by". (I had to reconstruct the index from the individual poem pages, which didn't have that information.)<BR>
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I have put in a work around that makes a backup of the old index before doing anything to it to add in a new work, so we shouldn't have a mass loss like this again. Hopefully this will just be a temporary workaround...
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From: B.K.<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

WHEW!!!<BR>
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You know what they say....Back-up or Crack-up...LOL
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From: Kirk, Blender-Keeper<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Sorry, I should've made it clearer earlier that the problem was with the index not the files.<BR>
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See, the code that adds the new work to the end of the page is really old and stupid.  It makes a copy of the "old" index, then goes through it line by line and recopies it to the "new" index.  Then when it hits the "new works here" comment, it adds in the new info, then finishes up.  The trouble is if this process is interrupted, a big hunk of the page is gone (including the "new works here" line, so nothing new can be added either.)  <BR>
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What it *should* do is just keep a simpler list on hand, and simply glue on to the od that (the glue-on proccess is much more bulletproof than what I described above.)  Then the index page would print the top, go through the list and make all the links, then print the bottom (what the new-matic viewer does now, except instead of a list it parses the regular page.)  <BR>
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The trouble is any change I make to the submit proccess, I have to fix up the scripts that make up the monthly digest to reflect. So the real fix (which will probably allow the new-matic viewer to lose its 'temporary' designation) will have to wait 'til the end of some month when I have something more cloely resembling free time ;-)
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From: slug<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

thanks to kirk for restoring the page!!! <BR>
and also a VERY belated thank to you everyone who left me nice comments about wonderland. it's very appreciated, even if i have been too busy to respond. but it's finally cool and rainy and i have a free day so i posted an attempt at happiness and am going to do some misc. housework. <BR>
i do have a general question: is it so bad to be sad? or is it bad to only express the sad? just curious.
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From: slug<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

kevin: think mcfly is wonderful. good job.
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From: terry<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

slug~ 'Happy' is not awful, nor did it fail with me. It communicated very well that strange feeling where, when you live in the moment, and actually revel in the feeling, well...you can't stop and analyze nor write about it. The very act takes away in some way. I really liked this line:<BR>
"Cynical and elated<BR>
Woozy with like and steeped in the reality of limited you-time"<BR>
Very descriptive of a feeling that's hard to communicate to others.<BR>
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terry
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From: B.K.<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Slug: I loved the same line Terry did. Woozy with like. Wonderful thought.<BR>
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It's ok to be sad, just think there would be no Van Gogh paintings or Rachmaninoff or Beethoven music if they had been happy. The new drug induced, have to be happys, bother me greatly. I think sadness can lead you to wonder, beauty and creativity.  
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From: Galadrial<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Okay-----I am a traitor, I should be shot, yadda yadda yadda....but lord, I'd like to able to accept a compliment with grace, without worrying about why a man said something nice...The war has gone on forever, and the biggest casualty has been manners.Guys know how to be courtly---but belt them in the chops enough times for doing so, and I promise you,they will stop even trying....<BR>
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So guys----do try again.......and ladies, girls, women---whatever we're supposed to be calling ourselves this decade---give them a chance?<BR>
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                                         So says Gala
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From: slug<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

thank you terry and bk. it means a lot and i can't quite relay it just now.<BR>
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i've done a bit of reading and:<BR>
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BK: Spin Cycle is perfect-  with just the right amounth of whimsy and practicality. marvelous.<BR>
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Riverfalls (is that your handle, or are you submitting someone else work - just a little perplexed here...) I enjoyed "and this" it seems we're all confused.<BR>
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and Gala: (prepare for a bit of a diatribe) i LOVED yeilding. (and i don't say it like that very often. just imagine the voice inflection: LOVED)<BR>
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sidebar: It dosent matter: marvelous bump.<BR>
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as far as the demise of chivalry in the pursuit of equality between the genders: i'm a 22 year old girl. (i feel like a child.) girl girl girl. when i get married i'll be a woman. if anyone puts MS. beside my name i gently correct them (in a twang i effect to be more feminine [ok - i live in texas, it's not fake]) that i am "miss" until such time as i take my husbands name. i want the door opened for me. i want you to take my arm and lead me to the dancefloor. i want you to offer me your jacket when i get cold. i am perfectly capable of doing these things myself. i am certainly entitled to equal pay. but i am the one who is going to carry a new person in my body for nine months. and until the day that the man does that, he will treat me with respect. it is not wrong. i am a lady. i can play football, basketball, i box, and i climb. but i also dance. i paint. i write. i like to feel small and soft, and taken care of. <BR>
unfortunately there are bitter women. there are angry feminists. there are parts of the world that are unkind to women (japan) but here, in the united states, we have it pretty good. and you're not a traitor for feeling like that. and men shouldn't stop. i am insulted when  a man doesn't open the door - or when he goes in before me. it's as if i'm invisible and respect have flown the coop. it's wrong.<BR>
and now i'm going to stop babbling. except this: (sorry, Kirk, it's a Rand quote, but i think it illustrates where women should be. according to me)<BR>
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"and that night [I] knew that to hold the body of women in [my] arms is neither ugly nor shameful, but the one ecstasy granted to the race of men." - Atlas Shrugged. (Ayn Rand)
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From: it dosent matter<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

thank u terry   i found both bumps to be very well done 
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From: B.K.<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

Slug: I forgot to add, I always play Tammy Wynette when I have to do housework. They both make me so sad that I cry like hell. Does a body good..HA! But ohhhhhh, try Kick Boxing for that too!<BR>

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From: kevin urenda<BR>
Date: 24 September 2000<P>

I have been beyond remiss...<BR>
been burning the candle at both ends and holding a flame to the middle. No time for much poetry or commentary, or fun even...  such are the vagaries of life racing the rats...<BR>
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Angel, Terry, Megs, Gala...<BR>
Thank you for the birthday wishes.  It heps to have friends when you start getting old (&lt;*wink*&gt;)<BR>
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B.K., slug...<BR>
Thanks for the kind comments on "think mcfly."  Was an intersting detour that poem took.  One of the cool things about this 'bumping' business is that I find my poetry taking unprompted odd turns (I am not sure whether I have ever heard extemporaneous poems on a given thread in any poetry slam, but then my cultural life has been very sheltered).<BR>
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about the chivalrous male in the early 00's...  Guys, the effort never goes to waste.  Women who matter in this world notice.  Besides, it never hurts to show constant acts of kindness in this world (I firmly believe that real kindness is NEVER random) for everyone is having a hard struggle (a paraphrase of a quote from the philosopher Philo).<BR>
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k
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