From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=911">Inflatable Sushi</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

PORN...the business of people having sex on camera, for hire and distributed world wide...for others to watch and get off inside their own twisted, sad minds.  THAT kind of porn.  I'll even include smut in print (i.e. Hustler, Playgirl).  I never said otherwise.  Jesus Christ, PLEASE don't try to collapse THAT into discussions of Michelangelo or great art.  Good lord, the dunces are trying to change the subject again...<BR>
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Porn IS mental illness - you use it or support it or get off on it, then guess what?  You are a sick muthaf*cka...end of story.  Fin.  You don't think porn degrades you as a woman (or as a man)?  Then you have just proven how totally screwed and co-opted you've become (and trying to pretend you HAVEN'T).  Massive absurd rationalizations and denial doesn't change the fact.  You support porn, you support the total f*cking of the human soul, the human psyche.  Whether you agree or not.<BR>
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The fact of the matter is, most people are so blinded and numb to the topic that no one does a damned thing about it.  Except a few of us (and a few of you) who are brave enough to take a stand for a more sane and simple society.<BR>
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Porn...usage of...being an apologist for...supporting with lame dysfunctional ingnorance...<BR>
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Porn IS mental illness.  Perhaps you'd like to get me started on substance abuse?<BR>
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The world has gone mental and you lead the parade.<BR>
Shame on you.<BR>
PORN IS A SOUL KILLER.<BR>

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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1058">Chances are</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

Oh, for Pete's sake!
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=969">drew1977</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

Inflatable Sushi - dont get started on substance abuse, thats my favourite past time.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=10">galadrial</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

one person's porn is another person's erotica.<BR>
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I had been in the Ping Pong balls view of this situatioin for years. Ever since the libraries got PC's, the issue of controlling, censoring, and covering access has been an issue. Every form of compromise has been challenged by the courts---and over turned.<BR>
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If you want to consider this issue from the point of few of an educational entity, much of the netware "nannies" are worth shit. They need to be programmed with a language filter---and that can be wildly amusing. You can only program them to words---not context. So the software assumes  Moby Dick is a porn film, won't show you a thing about peacocks, freezes you out of pussycats, will block access to info on breast cancer...on and on.<BR>
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But type in The White House...and yuo may find a porn link.<BR>
"Leather" will also give your kids an education. My opinion is that parents should monitor kids and access no matter WHERE they are...and that the existence of "porn" does not create perverts. They already exist. I have never heard of a single case where someone "normal" veiwed on bit of porn, and took to raping, babies or otherwise.<BR>
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I think Ted Bundy led those researchers on a merry chase when he suggested that "porn" had something to do with his desire to kill. I think Andrea Dworkin and her ilk are as twisted as the new Right, with their concepts of legislating morality. I guess I agree with Thomas Aquinas, who said nothing you could read could corrupt the heart of a good man.<BR>
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So nothing you can look at is going to MAKE you do something you were not inclined to do in the first place.<BR>

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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=10">Galadrial</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

And as far as the world going to hell in a handbasket...in the earlt 1900's, there were over 50,000 children UNDER 13 employed in brothels in New York City. No one spoke of it. But it came to public notice when one who had been badly abused and beaten finally applied to Society for prevention of cruelty to animals...because there was no other avenue to seek help from.<BR>
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But at the time, "porn" was rather rare, and pricey. A "french" postcard was regarded as obscene---and mailing one would get you arrested. <BR>
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Go back a few hundred years more...and tell me that you think they REALLY castrated little boys just so they could hit the high notes?  A bit Naive.<BR>
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I think if you look at the numbers, instead of the hype, you will find that sex crimes are pretty much where they have been for years...we're just more aware of them. But if you want to debate, bear in mind that extreme cases---say pedophiles, will be just as turned on by an underwear ad in a kid's catalog...so to avoid making porn, are we then obliged to forbid ANYTHING that might be misused by a deviant...and that's anything.<BR>
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I can hear the argument now---"No, we only want to ban porn!" But ANYTHING can be porn in the wrong hands. And if all you do is drive folks underground, you have not solved anything. You're back in the early 1900's, where everyone was nice and polite...and children were used for prostitutes...but it was just not nice to talk about.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=902">Spaded</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

Wow, I haven't been on for two weeks and I come back to a raging debate on porn! <BR>
I love this place!!!<BR>
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Just to add my two cents worth, porn (by it'self) is not a bad thing ;).<BR>
It's when you throw children, animals, and people otherwise unable to give proper consent to the use of thier bodies into the mix, that porn becomes what PORN implies-dirty, disgusting, and only enjoyable to those of a sick and twisted mind.<BR>
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Does that make a mom taking an innocent bath-tub picture of her child dirty...no as implied by the word innocent, (which of course means...will be used as a means of torture in the future when said child is old enough to date...ha ha).<BR>
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On the other hand a few years back there was debate over the photograper who snapped a picture of a five year old girl in a dress with legs apart and no underwear, was that dirty?  He probably said it captured the beauty of innocence. In my mind it screamed he was a pervert, trying to profit from the exploitation of a child, and that her parents allowed the picture to be displayed did not sit so well with me either. Art and beauty my ass.<BR>
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Holly
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1050">Kase</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

Sushi,<BR>
Good grief!!  Do you think of anythng besides porn?  It sure seems to be on your mind a lot more than the average person's.  Could you find something else to gripe about?  Or just smile and be happy for a day?  You have some major issues you need to work out in therapy or something.  We all have had your opinion continously stomped into our heads, now can we please move on to another issue, like writing or poetry or SOMETHING positive?
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=436">Jon</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

As far as I'm concered porn and art are two very different things.<BR>
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Is Jenna Jameson a modern day Mona Lisa?<BR>
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Heck no.<BR>
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-Jon
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=706">splatipus</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

I agree with Jon. I've never heard of someone w**king over Paul Gaugin or some other Classic nudes.<BR>
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Pornography has been around for thousands of years - the ancient greeks had loads of the stuff. I dont see the harm in 'girlie' mags, I presume the models werent forced to pose. <BR>
But child porn, snuff movies, things like that, are sick and should be stamped out completely and anyone involved should be castrated (at the very least)
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=13">B.K.</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

When you go to peoples homes and their children (six year olds) and neighbors children are strutting around playing brittney instead of their dolls and swimming pool, doing the latest sexual gyrations with movements and words verbatum from the videos and their moms are laughing then you know that society has let it go too far and that porn is seeping in. When children have the word cutie written across their rears and clothes that look like a house of ill repute instead of school garb then you have a clue and when children like Joan Benet Ramsey are killed in their own homes and pervs are walking in and taking kids its time to start making motions in the other direction. Now taking it back to putting a curtain over a breast is the wrong step in another direction but there has to be a stopping point. When our major stars are suddenly buying kiddie porn on the net and making lame excuses for themselves and will probably get away with it..you know Money talks and the children and all the women held against their wills as prostitutes and or victims (yes even in this country) lose another battle that has been going on since time began.  It's a mostly male domiation game and I would bet that the majority of any monies made are by males, the mafia, and maybe now a few women but at the expense of the meek, the hungry,drug adicts and people of low IQ. There are still too many countries willing to sell female children for something to eat and they could care less if some rich man has his way and throws them to the sharks. So the next time you want to support porn think of all the other things you are supporting to go with it....It's a terrorism of a different type and big time money. If we stop giving our monies to it maybe your children, future children and grand children will have a safer world in which to play dolls and trucks and cars instead of sick sex scene scenarios foradults to gawk at on tv or otherwise. If that means putting the pervs back underground then I'm for it. At least you would know where to look.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1058">Chances are</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

The way the media is portraying women in the everyday is a worry. The younger, the more Lolita looking the better, it would seem a state of undress is the norm. Children are exposed to this every day, and it distorts what is partially a natural sexual expression and their identity. Please do not call me sick on this statement, Sushi - we are born with a natural sexuality, which develops as we grow up. This is partly to do with the consumer, who is increasingly accepting without thinking, partly to do with the parties that cater to the consumer without considering moral and ethical implications, partly to do with parents who allow their children to digest the media without educating them.<BR>
As for women and children being sold - surely this would seem an argument for a sensible view of the situation, rather than to push it further underground where this type of problem would be aggravated. The involvement of children in sexual acts or the exploitation of children in any way, shape or form, is very wrong, so please do not misinterpret the previous statement. Quite simply put - if we do not protect women, how can we protect the children?<BR>
As for sex in the mass media - where does the line get drawn? Then there is violence in the media... sexism in the media... and so on.<BR>
The problem extends way beyond porn - which has achieved its own celebrity status because people have tried to push all of it underground, without considering the full implications. I really don't think there is anything wrong with smut mags - as long as they are kept out of reach of children.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=911">Inflatable Sushi</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

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<a href="http://www.nationalcoalition.org/pornharm.phtml?ID=102">http://www.nationalcoalition.org/pornharm.phtml?ID=102</a><BR>

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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=911">Inflatable Sushi</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

"Porn (by itself) isn't bad"...give me a break.<BR>
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Cancer (by itself) isn't bad, it's just cancer, right?<BR>
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Warped logic in a worldview/mindset where nothing is special, nothing is sacred.<BR>
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The world would be a better place without porn...just the real thing between humans with passion and some degree of morality and character.  Sex is great, porn is an insult to the soul.<BR>
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I'm done.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1050">Kase</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

For Real?  Thank God!
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=268">Misti</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

I felt the same way once. I thought all the world needed was to rid itself of porn and everything would be okay or at least better. Well, that's bullshit. If you're living in a black and white world you need to buy a new pair of glasses. Reality is somewhere between Kansas and Oz in that glorious MGM musical I so love. As for sharing sordid details of my life in my poetry and in my answers to the survey question, I am not ashamed. I only know how to share my total, complete self with others. I'm not geared toward compartmentalization.<BR>
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Again, I question the sanity of anyone who lingers at a site they abhor. We are not enlightened by blatant negativity and immature name-calling. If you want to change the world in which you live, the Internet isn't exactly the most proactive conduit. Duh.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=268">Misti</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

<a href="/blend/wv.cgi?id=2003.01.16.21.28.15420">the death of a lying SOB</a><BR>
Lisa, what a fitting tribute. You have never rocked harder. I adore you.<BR>
((((((((((((HUGS!!!!!)))))))))))))
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1058">Chances are</a><BR>
Date: 16 January 2003<P>

Gala - When I reiterated a lot of what you'd said, I had somehow had skipped your 2nd post (scrolling back and forth through the rage), and was basically unaware I was doing it. Hope I haven't stepped on your toes. Hope things get back to peaceful around here. Back to musing. <BR>
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: )   Chances
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