From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=35">Star of David</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Davey,<BR>
<a href="/blend/wv.cgi?id=2003.06.12.17.24.3885">THE HAUNTING NIGHT</a>  is written so beautifully...
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=35">Star of David</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Kirk,<BR>
The Zeugma thing is really interesting!
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=900">RennieLorca</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

ladyinwaiting~ :) was just wondering, since cava (español: "it digs" or latin: heart ref.) can have other meanings. The names are often as interesting as the subs, are they not? Passionate about words, we enjoy learning. Thanks for the heart tidbit ..... Rennie
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=872">cryingshame58</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

empyrean,<BR>
believe me, your words speak to my heart...sorry that anyone would ever feel that way...<BR>
pam
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=220">wolfscreamer</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Dylan....My heart reminds me on Fridays lol. Nice piece.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=220">wolfscreamer</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Star of David....The past is always there we can,t blank it out but we can be selective on our memories. The sad ones make us listen to Randy Crawford, bugger no thats me ain,t it.The good ones make us smile inside even if we can,t have them again.October rain what can I say BRING IT ON lol. 
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=220">wolfscreamer</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

lady ...Caught in the act...Hmmmm are we talking mementos of the past here.Hard to dispose of huh.I know what you mean.What you need is a good chum who you will allow to defrag your storage areas and delete where necessary.Not that will ever happen I guess HUH , just like me lol.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=220">wolfscreamer</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

lady... Thieve..rain...nice.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1174">Dana</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

ladyinwaiting: Thank you. Your thoughts are always appreciated. Good luck to you. - Dana
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1174">Dana</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

tj holland: <a href="/blend/wv.cgi?id=2003.06.12.15.40.1992">What Is?</a> So true. Well said.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1174">Dana</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

JD: <a href="/blend/wv.cgi?id=2003.06.12.18.26.21108">The onslaught of rhyme</a> was a beautiful piece.
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=872">CryingShame58</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

To all Blenderites...HELP!<BR>
A little trivia question...<BR>
<BR>
In conversation if you were to refer to "A utensil of wire mesh or closely perforated metal, used for straining, sifting, ricing, or puréeing"....would you say sieve or sift???<BR>
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Pam
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=744">jimmyallgrownup</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

"Metal thingy"?
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1174">Dana</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Pam: I believe it would be "sieve". - Dana
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=900">RennieLorca</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Pam~ a "sieve" is what you use for ricing, etc. Use "sift" as the sorting action. But some folks use a "sifter" as a utensil ... that help? ..... Rennie
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=900">RennieLorca</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Pam~ I should as, that it is not uncommon for a sifter (person) to use a sift (utensil) in some parts of the country ..... Rennie
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=900">RennieLorca</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Pam~ ^ I should add ... I can't think for a wild pup barking at me for attention today ... sorry ..... Rennie
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1139">jwb71913</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

I like 'Metal thingy'   Jim<BR>
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=13">B.K.</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

If it's wet you seive if it's dry you sift.<BR>
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bk
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=23">Kirk</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Star o' Dave, yeah, Zeugma is a pretty cool idea. Did you read the webpage I link to? Sometimes it's fun to try to come up with 'em, or just recognize opportunities when they'll fit.<BR>

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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1174">Dana</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Jennifer: <a href="/blend/wv.cgi?id=2003.06.13.12.48.13736">Reminiscing</a> I can completely relate to every line in this piece. These are my feelings almost everyday at this point in my life. 
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=4">tj holland</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

LOL! I say sieve. But here in the Northwest USA nobody knows what I mean. So I say collander. <BR>
And I agree with whomever said that 'sift' is an action. A sifter is the utensil. <BR>
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Butterfly and Dana ~ Anything that provokes thought is good. Thanks for letting me know. <BR>
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=872">CryingShame58</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

To All Blenderites...<BR>
I should be more specific...American Heritage Dictionary definition is nearly the same...I am wondering people's personal preference, but I do admire the way BK reasons everything the way she does...it's like so logical! Thanks BK for your tip!  It may help because....<BR>
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I am wondering what others here would "say" sieve or sift...of course this is pertaining to my writing and this in particular is dealing with writing dialogue...<BR>
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thanks for everyone's help!<BR>
Pam
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=1103">ladyinwaiting</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Cryingshame ~ being of the southern nature...I understand sift (sifter) to be uses for flour products and seive to be used for larger items...pasta or GOLD...just my thoughts...
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=620">Varda</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

ladyinwaiting ~ It's raining where I live and I came upon 'Caught in the Act'. It matched my mood wonderfully. ANd the imagery is really beautiful. Thank you.<BR>
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Athena ~ I like the speed and rhythm of 'Forbidden Beat' (very well echoed by the title). It really had a beat of its own that paralleled well with some of your imagery (heart beats, dance/music beats). Nice. :)<BR>
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*V*
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=900">RennieLorca</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Pam~ in a sentence, just do not use the "sifter used a sifter" (translate that into some situations "s") ... that's all you should avoid or define for clarity. Here I am putting the verb at the end of sentences with coma-related problems (so may confuse the issue) ... but any journalism class will teach you to use a definitive term that the locals will understand easily. Writing and English classes will require being more specific. Editors and their publishers are another ball of wax ..... Rennie
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=13">B.K.</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Some excellent political commentary with back up links here. Take a look at what's really going on, if you dare.<BR>
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<a href="http://www.thismodernworld.com/index.html">http://www.thismodernworld.com/index.html</a><BR>
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bk
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=670">Jennifer</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Dana~~Thanks for reading it...I'm glad you can relate and appreciate my poem, but at the same time I'm sorry that you know what that feels like.<BR>
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Jennifer
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=13">B.K.</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

OK according to Larousse Gastronomique (culinary encyclopdia) sieve (Tamis) is the word and it started out as a silk or horsehair or skin of some type on a wooden frame. This was used to sift flour or icings. Then you have the wire seive to puree veggies and fruits or doughs our butters (to improve their textures). A wooden pestle is used to press the food through. I used a small one to make home-made baby foods for my son as a baby. I still say sift for dry and seive for wet haha as far as using it to describe moving feelings it would depend on how the  structure of the thought sounds when you read it aloud.<BR>
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bk
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=872">cryingshame58</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

BK...you are exactly on the same page as me...i am attempting to write dialogue similar to moving feelings...i have decided that writing from my perspective is hell-a-va-lot easier than coming up with what someone else would/could think to say...<BR>
Rennie...thanks so much for your advice...i bet you are great at writing conversations between a group of characters...i have mentioned to others that it might be easier to write dialogue with a co-writer?  do you know? for someone as uneducated in this area...i haven't the foggiest...<BR>
Dana...glad that your time apart is keeping the two of you close...i can picture the two of you together and it's sweet love...makes me smile...<BR>
Pammy<BR>

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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=900">RennieLorca</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Pam~ my forte over the years (remember, I'm an old fart): journalism, speech & theatre, music, singer, art, psychology, computers (newly hatched baby photons right off the ark), creative and technical freelancer, farm & ranch owner, horsestable owner and livestock breeder, land/property investor, consultant, printer/publisher, sole proprietor multiple businesses (creative & technical/prototype/alternative), professional writer (ha, not poet) with by-lines/other/websites builder, serious over-achiever, I kick muses (got an award or two here for being a "muse abuser", researcher, slacker, couchpotater, and another "other" in there a few more times or two ... you find something in that resumé or portfolio that might help you, let me know and I'll be glad to help you :) ... a bit different form of writing what songs I like, but ANYTHING can appeal to me at the right time ..... Rennie 
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=2">scqueen</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

So, there's a sieve (as in rocks or sediment)<BR>
and a sifter (as in flour)<BR>
and a collander (as in noodles)<BR>
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but geez, their all just words;-)<BR>

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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=872">CryingShame58</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

Ladyinwaiting...<BR>
I think people from the south say sift more than sieve, too...<BR>
scqueen...thanks for taking the time to  answer my trivial question about sift/sieve, i have always admired your submits...<BR>
Rennie...me, i am so unsmart from education to street...and it's obvious how much you have accomplished...so i am wondering how in the world does a writer begin to write dialogue without a partner?  do you think having a partner would be a good way to start?  like brainstorming with a partner, etc??? if you want to email me ...i would appreciate that, [email-masked]...<BR>
Pam
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From: <a href="/blend/av.cgi?id=925">whisper</a><BR>
Date: 13 June 2003<P>

wolfscreamer: both mirror and single views were excellent! i love your reflections. i have deeply identified with both of these peices this very night. you have given some slight definition to an otherwise nebulous mass of depression. thank you.
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